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When is it crazy to stay on frontier models?
The right model for the right job
Stephen Watt of Red Hat on open weight models at frontier level, a pilot saving up to 70 percent, sovereignty in Europe and the agentic paradox.

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Stephen Watt is Vice President and Distinguished Engineer at Red Hat, where he has worked for about 14 years, mostly in research and emerging technologies.
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In brief
- Red Hat is piloting, on its way to a full production service, open weight models for its own use instead of frontier models, with cost savings of up to 70 percent.
- In his view, open weight models have reached, in the last six months or so, the level of Anthropic's Opus 4.6, the point where agentic usage exploded; what holds them back now is deploying them successfully.
- The agency with open weights comes from post-training: a model enriched with your own data becomes something specialised, and in targeted use cases can score higher in the evals.
- Sovereignty means different things: in the United States, using Western open weight models; in Europe, the infrastructure, with European providers, data hosted in Europe and operated by its own people.
- The latest accelerators are liquid cooled while many European data centers are air cooled, and power is short, so Europe might end up with a slightly different stack.
- The agentic paradox, as he calls it: you would be crazy not to start with frontier models, and crazy to stay only on them once they become this expensive.
- His answer is a hybrid: agent gateways in front of frontier and self-hosted open weight models, evals run against skills to pick the right model for each job and budget, and llm-d and vLLM to serve them at production scale.
Chapters
- 0:00 From South Africa to Red Hat
- 0:39 Up to 70% savings with open weights
- 1:25 Open weights at frontier level
- 2:14 Agency through post-training
- 3:08 Sovereignty: US and Europe
- 3:58 Liquid cooling, power and land
- 4:55 Hybrid: frontier and open models
- 6:07 Skills, evals and llm-d
Why this conversation
Frontier models made agents take off, and their bills made every CIO look at what the agents cost. Stephen Watt, Vice President and Distinguished Engineer at Red Hat, works on the other option: open weight models, run by the company itself. In this conversation he explained why he thinks they are now good enough, what sovereignty means in the United States and in Europe, and how a team picks the right model for each job. The host recorded with him in the conference’s podcast room in San Jose on 22 October 2026, the first day of AGNTCon + MCPCon North America. The rest of that day is in AGNTCon + MCPCon North America 2026: day one.
Up to 70 percent
He grew up between South Africa and Japan, moved to the United States in December 2000, worked for IBM and HP for two years each and for a few startups, and has been at Red Hat for about 14 years, mostly in research and emerging technologies. Everything Red Hat does is open source, so he could say what excites him most: an internal pilot, on its way to a full production service, that deploys open weight models for Red Hat’s own use instead of frontier models. “It’s having radical cost savings, you know, up to as much as 70 percent.” It is rare, he said, for an emerging technology prototype to have that kind of impact on finances.
Good enough, and yours to post-train
The shift is recent. Within the last six months or so, in his view, open weight models have started performing well enough, at the level of Anthropic’s Opus 4.6, which he saw as the tipping point when agentic usage exploded. At that level, nothing really holds them back beyond the ability to deploy them successfully. Agency is a different matter with model weights: they are binaries, and few have the capital or the infrastructure to reproduce them. The agency comes from post-training them, taking a model and enriching it with your own data to create something specialised. In more targeted use cases, post-training can also raise the model’s performance in the evals.
Sovereignty, from the land up
Sovereignty, he said, is used differently in different places. In the United States it is often about the desire to use Western open weight models, not about infrastructure, because the country has few issues with land and power. In Europe it is much more about the infrastructure: running on European providers, with data hosted in Europe and operated by its own people. He drew the stack from the top: agents and inference, the platform, the accelerators, the data center, and below it power and land. Sovereignty is about self-determination, and Europe has a particular problem: the latest accelerators are liquid cooled while many of its data centers are air cooled, and power is short too. That could mean Europe “might actually have a slightly different stack”.
The agentic paradox
In the United States, he said, the question is reducing token expenditure. A CIO’s biggest concern today is cloud spend, with inference rolled into it, and that leads to what he calls the agentic paradox: “you sort of be crazy not to start with frontier models, but they become so expensive that if you’re exclusively using them, you’d sort of be crazy to stay on them”. The answer he sees taking shape is a hybrid. Agent gateways surface both the frontier models and the open weight models you host, so you can pick the right model for the right job and the right budget. Engineers are getting better at that choice: they run skills against several models and use evals against those skills to learn which model to use for what. To serve the open models at production scale there are llm-d and vLLM, and llm-d, the open source project for scale-out production inference, had just reached 1.0 that week. The host closed with: “let’s build the future open.”
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About Stephen Watt
Stephen Watt is Vice President and Distinguished Engineer at Red Hat, where he has worked for about 14 years, mostly in research and emerging technologies.
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